END GENOCIDE NOW / Discuss

Pol Pot ate my Hamster says:

It must have been an accident. Who would deliberately delete a link to a petition asking Mugabe to stop being naughty?
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sexycorin says:

I don't know! It's unthinkable. Unless someone let a Nazi into this group?
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Donald Rumsfeld: Secretary of Defense says:

Have you found a smoking gun?
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Colonel Kilgore says:

Then there's the question of all those other Flickr group's that overlap similar territory to this one. What is to be done about them? Normally I'd suggest wiping them out but in the circumstances that might be considered a little tasteless
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Ferdinand Marcos says:

Wow! 200 members so soon. What a fantastic demonstration of Flickr's potential to reach around
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Mr Normal/ The gimp returns says:

Yea I got this.

From: camera_rwanda
Subject: End Genocide Now
Please refrain from posting nonrelated material
to this group.

Respectfully.



Or, return to your inbox.
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sexycorin says:

That sounds a little despotic to me.
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camera_rwanda    says:

Corin and Normal,
I initiated this group so that we could have a meaningul dialogue that might inspire ourselves and others to action, first via, as azimagery astutely says, awareness. This really isn't the place to use wisecracks, post pictures of naked women, etc. Nor am I despotic for kindly asking you to follow group guidelines. If you read the group description and you don't like it, please do not post here: recall this is a focus on bringing light to inhumanity. There's really nothing funny about it. Thanks so much.
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camera_rwanda    says:

Ferdinand, thanks for your observation. This is what I hoped for: reaching many people, quickly, with a purposeful message, for the sake of collaborating in order to make this planet a better place. So much injustice, inhumanity...let's use technology to do something good. :)
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sexycorin says:

I am sure this sub-group of a community of geeks CAN make a difference and stop the genocide.

This isn't the place for wisecracks? Comedy can't be used as a tool to raise awareness, make people think? Have you ever listened to Bill Hicks?
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Vertigogen    says:

Or Mark Thomas? Or Rob Newman? Or Bremner, Bird and Fortune? Or those guys who do the spoof US news programme? Or Benny Hill? Well, maybe not Benny Hill. Michael Moore, then. He's quite funny.

Maybe this could be solved by having threads labelled in brackets (reverent) or (irreverent), and if it's neither then (irrelevant). That way, people can just choose to read the sort they like. Me, I like 'em all.
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Vertigogen    says:

Yeah, how responsible is that, moderating my own posts? Actually I just forgot to close one of the brackets.
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sexycorin says:

Or maybe a list of what is related to genocide, and things that aren't?

What's the best way to kill a Jew?
What's the most efficient method to burn carcasses?
Should those involved in genocide be concerned with greenhouse emissions?
Can they do carbon trades?
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squishband    says:

Umm... Yeah.
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camera_rwanda    says:

Thanks. Let me rewind and revise: it's not about humor, it's about the irrelevant. I guess I'm murky when it comes to understanding why changing "Admin" to "Nazi" is an effective way to collaborate
in order to really address the point of this group.
How does tagging this group "porn" and "fag" (albeit it really funny in some individual's eyes) serve anyone? Thanks.

Oh, and I guess I'm simply more preoccupied with the human beings in Darfur and how we can use our energy constructively/purposefully to give this discussion much more energy.

Either we serve or we don't. Let's serve.
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sexycorin says:

If you didn't want people to change the group's settings, why on earth did you make everyone in this group an admin?

I've not actually seen you address the point of this group other than starting a thread saying you set the group up, griping about how other members aren't addressing the point of the group and deleting what you deem to be irrelevant comments.

If that's constructive, then I'm an autistic gerbil with a penchant for wearing flares and a tick in her left eye.

Please, tell us how you plan to serve. How do you think this group can serve any praectical purpose whatsoever? Because frankly, I'm intrigued.
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Vertigogen    says:

Making everyone an admin is a great idea. If it works, then there's hope for humanity. If it ends up in people deleting other people's efforts, getting angry, banning people and ultimately seizing control, then there is little point continuing to talk about ending genocide in Darfur or anywhere else. IMHO.
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sexycorin says:

You can't ban admins though.
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AnomalousNYC    says:

Vertigogen, you seem to be operating under the illusion that everyone is actualyl interested in participating in a political discussion. There are, as should be abundantly clear from many of the more frequent contributors to this group, many people for whom all political discourse is a stupid joke, and for them it is a pleasure to derail and obstruct such discussion, and mock and abuse those who take issues like genocide seriously. Some people simply take delight in derailing discussion, ending debate, and preventing others from engaging in any kind of meaningful discussion. They are usually just a tiny handfull of people, and often they give the illusion of numbers by maintaining multiple accounts and then staging fake dialogue with themselves, but if you allow such people to dominate the forums, as commonly happens and is clearly happening here, they will make the experience of participation so miserable and unpleasant for the majority that the group will cease to exist. Which is, of course, a goal of many of them. They reflect the internet presence of many right-wing groups like the Texas Strike Force or Protest Warrior:
www.texasstrikeforce.com/
www.protestwarrior.com/

Such people are extremely motivated - usually by Fundamentalist Christianity and/or Zionism - and represent a growing fascism within the United States. They actively search for forums such as this in order to do exactly what they are doing.

Deleting the intrusions of such people is not censorship - it is good housekeeping, a prerequisite for having any kind of meaningful discussion.

Genocide is not a joke, and this is not an appropriate forum for people who regard it as such.

These are the same people who quite happily censored the political will of the United States by defrauding the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections - they have less than zero moral authority to kvetch and moan about censorship.

Delete away.
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Vertigogen    says:

@ anomalousNYC I can't agree that deleting other people's comments is good housekeeping. That is the way to escalation, like all attempts to resolve differences through censorship. There is an important place for humour in discussion about serious matters, including genocide. Reduces suicides, for one.
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sexycorin says:

If you think that a bit of fun precludes political debate, then I suggest you have a little look at this thread www.flickr.com/groups/deletemeuncensored/discuss/81111

It's been going for months now, is still very much alive and sits slapbang in the heart of a group where irreverence, irrelevance and downright rudeness is the norm.

Just because you take the piss in one thread doesn't mean you can't be serious in another. Creating a sense of community is fundamental to the success of a group.

How is starting a thread which encourages conversation in this group any more frivolous than posting a picture of some sky, or a flower?

I'm interested to find out what the actual point of this group is, and as yet cannot find an answer. Maybe more appropriate name for this group would be DISCUSS HOW GENOCIDE IS NOT VERY NICE ACTUALLY.

Doesn't everyone think that already? Maybe we should find some race-hate groups on Flickr and invite them to join, otherwise we'll all be sitting here, wringing our hands, saying that it really is terrible, isn't it?

If you think anyone actually thinks that genocide is a joke, then I suggest you take a long, cold shower to clear your head.

But I fail to see how posting photos and ranting on can accomplish anything.
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AnomalousNYC    says:

I am not suggesting deleting comments. I am suggesting laying down some basic rules of conduct, and then removing from the group anyone who continues to disrupt. Their comments will leave with them.

Just because people like Sexycorin think this is a stupid group doesn't mean that she has a right to ensure that it IS a stupid group.

Nothing wrong with humor, just as there is nothing wrong with observing who's making the jokes, and at whos expense, and why.
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sexycorin says:

www.flickr.com/groups/endgenocidenow/discuss/125718/#comm...
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camera_rwanda    says:

Hi Corin,
I'm an educator. Apologies if my description for this group isn't clear. I thought it was:
exchange ideas about ways in which we human beings can do something about genocide.

This might include sharing images, information.
This might include sharing first-hand accounts.
This might include posting links to websites that
are also serving (there's that word again!) to increase awareness.
This might include posting a bibliography of "must reads" related to the history of genocide.
This might include, and thank you for doing it, posting a wikipedia definition of "genocide" in case
a group member is confused to begin with.
This might include listing suggestions for how one might take political action (see my post regarding writing your senator).

Why be so cynical and vitriolic that you turn people away from participating in this dialogue? You ask me what the heck the point of this group is and I've told you. Feel free to make this better...I started this group because I'm interested in learning from how I and my students, friends, and family members can END GENOCIDE NOW. This past summer I spent months volunteering in Rwanda teaching photography to orphans who lost their parents to the genocide in 1994. I shall return in 2006.

Though you can joke all you want, it's not going to bring back mothers, fathers, sisters, daughters, and sons. What do I want? To prevent Darfur from escalating into Rwanda. Does this make sense?

So, if the genocide in Darfur is handled DIFFERENTLY than Rwanda's, it might mean lives are saved.

What might DIFFERENTLY look like?

I don't know: that's why I've started this group.

Hey, read Dallaire's _Shaking Hands With The Devil."
It's sub-titled "Humanity's Failure in Rwanda." It's a bugle cry which resonates: failure to act is immoral.

Corin, I feel that i am acting, not blindly, but with the INTENTION to connect with other sentient human beings.

I wonder, what is your intention?

Oh, enough of that. To you all, here's a useful message and link:


The Crime of Our New Century...

The Sudanese Government, using Arab "Janjaweed" militias, its air force, and organized starvation, is systematically killing the black Sudanese of Darfur.

The picture of the boy killed (left) shows what is happening in Darfur. Over a million people, driven from their homes, now face death from starvation and disease as the Government and militias attempt to prevent humanitarian aid from reaching them. The same forces have destroyed the people of Darfur's villages and crops, and poisoned their water supplies, and they continue to murder, rape and terrorize.

This site's sole purpose is to try to save lives by helping stop the genocide in Darfur.

It empowers you to take smart, strategic actions to compel those in power to act through international petitions or local events. It provides access to the best, most relevant and most upto date information available. You can also give online to our Advocacy Fund.
The situation in Darfur is dire. The choice we face simple. Act now to help save lives and stop the genocide, or watch as another chapter of injustice, cruelty and tragedy gets added to human history. Let's learn the bloody lessons of Rwanda, the Holocaust, and Armenia. Lets make sure that 2005 is not a year that we remember and regret.
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